I have some really old bottles of S4, I've been taking 100mg for just over two weeks now. It is working, but not as potent as when I first got them.
I don't get gains from it, but I feel great and my cardio performance is much better. I do feel some fullness in my muscles too.

keep us posted on your pct progress.....

I'm getting ready to go into my PCT by the end of this week. Just finishing this bottle of Suspension to get it out of the way. I will outline my PCT when I figure it for definate and will try to keep track of it for you guys. It will consist of Tamoxifen, Clomiphene, S-4, and Proviron. I was thinking that since I'm still using HCG, maybe I won't need Proviron for the first 2-3 weeks and can get by with low dose Cialis. I do have a bottle of Tonic leftover too. I'm going to alter my normal PCT to include S-4, Proviron, Tonic and probably PP's Sustain Alpha.

It's Been about 2 weeks and things are still going good with my PCT w/ S-4, HCG, Clomid, Toremifine, HGH, except the vision side effects from the S-4. It's really difficult to see while driving at night time, I almost feel like im blind.. it sux. Maybe i will try Billberry and see if that helps. Still fell strong at the gym and have been getting serious morning wood. Could be from the Toremifine not sure.. but It's a good sign!

Question: I am still taking the HGH @ 4iu/ed with my PCT and will stay on the HGH for a while.. Should i bump up the GH since I am not taking the Test anymore? I also have 2 kits of IGF-1 that i plan on throwing in there sooner or later, just not sure if the Gh at my current dose is effective without running Test with it..

Dtewentyone what brand of toremifine are you using? PCT sounds solid bro....very similar to what i am going to run in the near future....

I assume you are still using HCG? That could explain the morning wood. Keep us updated, especially after the HCG clears your system.

I'm still debating on whether or not to use S-4 from the beginning of PCT or start it mid-PCT with the Proviron. If I do, it will only be 50mg/day of S-4.

PUMPED, what are you on right now?

I'm using research liquid from ChemOne.. I couldn't get my hands on the real thing so decided to research route. They are G2G!

Yeah, I'm still runnin' the HCG. How is Proviron for PCT? I have used it during a cycle a few years ago but not for PCT, but have heard good things. Proviron blocks estrogen while raising natural test, Right? Maybe i will throw some in there!

Double .....Been on over a year now.... running just test prop and tren ace.....threw in some old AK labs Bold Cyp but i will not conitue it...i think it is not pure my joints are aching and swelling from it, i dont feel right since i started it, ....going to toss in some 19-nor now with low dose dbol.....see what happens...

I need to come off, i want to be able to have kids with my wifey....and if i continue to stay on i am only going to further hurt my chances of being able to have a kid or kids for that matter......

The S4 is the missing link for my PCT........ i think adding that to my usual HCG, Clomid, Nolva, will help prevent the crash..... S4 is truly such a interesting compound and for PCT purposes it could be one of the greatest additions for myself....

This is a great thread.....lots of good info...there needs to be more threads like this here at IMA

I just did a little research on Proviron for PCT and it said that Proviron is androgenic and will suppress natural testosterone and not to take it everyday during PCT but can take it once in a while to raise libido. I'm not sure if I want to mess with this..

Pumped: i'm in the same boat as you. I have been on for well over a year and needed to come off.. Eventhough I really didnt notice any bad sides that could lead to permanent damage, It still makes me a little scared that I wont be able to have kids.. Now the difficult times begin, Trying to stay off long enough for everything to rebound properly. It's difficult when everyone around me is "on".. A few of my buddies are on HRT but are in their late 30's and already have kids etc.. I turn 30 in December and dont want to risk screwing everything up for the future! I hate coming off!

Proviron use during PCT is novel; its lacking scientific support and proof. In men, with normal functioning HPTAs it will not suppress the HPTA until you reach 150mg/day and up. This cut-off point seems as if it might vary from person to person. I was thinking no more than 25mg/day of Proviron this PCT, but now I'm thinking of not running it. Typically in the past, for libido and state of well-being purposes, I would run Proviron no higher than 50mg/day during PCT.

dtwentyone, going 'off' the gear blows! I know how you feel, bro. Especially now that the holidays are around the corner and even more so when you have buddies 'on'. My buddy just started some Tren E and Test E...that bastard...but I don't think its working out so well for him because he is always pretty inconsistent when it comes to the gym.

I feel you guys though, because I want to have kids in the future too. Otherwise, I would stay 'on' all the time. I have been thinking about staying 'off' for a while (couple years) so that I can have children, then go back 'on' when time permits.

So I'm thinking 50mg of S-4 during PCT and making some type of a combo capsule that contains tamoxifen, clomiphene, and cialis. After 45 days I will toss in Proviron, but will get a blood test before I do. Alright! Enough with the Proviron....sorry guys, lol.

PUMPED, how long you going to run the dbol and 19-nor for? When do you plan on coming 'off'?

I plan on comming of this spring sometime Double.....if i can stay on the S-4 for 3 months than i will come off for 3 months....go back on after that.....

gonna run the dbol 19-nor for 4 weeks or so...I will only stop if the sides are not worth the gains with those two...never ran them together...i'll let you know what happens....


this thread on s-4 has definitely made me not dread comming off as much.....gonna stock up when TCS is up and runnin