seems like it died down, i have a bunch left, found out that i dont need alot

currently doing ~20mg per day with 375mg/wk test E and 15mg nolva/day

and hcg

but not sure if i want to bump up the dosage, gets me hyper and weird. going to keep it low and observe carefully LOL

would like to hear someone running this solo for 2 months or something

I just started again for my PCT. Let you know how it goes. It seems to be good for lean mass, as I never noticed any bloat but small lean gains. From how I felt, it didn't affect my HPTA, so I figured for me the best time to run was when I wasn't on PH/AAS, like PCT for example. All is going good so far.

How much you running Double?

75mg/day as of right now. I was running 50mg/day for week 1. I'm in week 2 now, and will go up to 100mg/day for weeks 4-7(might run out sooner though.

I've still got some I might attempt to use with some tne dbol and s4

I know this is an old thread but i just started my S-4 today for PCT and my lips are dry as hell i assume from the PEG300! I used S-4 last year when C had the orange flavored clumpy mix 100mg/ml and I didnt have this issue.. any ideas how to fix this?? It's 25mg/ml so i am doing 1ml 4 times a day, is that too much?

Hey Double, is there any other people using it solely for PCT ? or are you the first in this endeavor?

I would be really intrested in the product if it does not affect HPTA..... lmk?

Maybe C will chime in

thanks bro

I researched with it during PCT and I felt that it helped a lot. I didn't realize just how much it helped until I discontinued it. I can't say how much it effects HTPA, but it sure helped me avoid the sudden crash. I will be researching with S4 again...always during PCT.

I ran it a while back, not for PCT but wasn't on anything (AAS) and hadn't been on for 6 months. I didn't get any bloodwork before/after can't be certain but didn't feel any shutdown type effects (in the gym or outside ie fatique, sex drive etc.) I liked it a lot for strength, didn't gain a whole lot of muscle but def felt pumped/full. Got the vision/yellow tints going outside/inside, but after a few days of stopping the vision went back to normal. I was at 75/mg a day.

I don't think I'm the first, but besides Tre I can't really think of anyone else. JA on OLM did and he believed it to negatively affect the HPTA during PCT. I think he has blood tests if I recall, but you have to take alot of things into account.

I always felt like S-4 helped during PCT. I felt like it minimized any loss of gains during PCT. My PCT is different than most. I use S-4 + Proviron. I usually go a week or so dry (or without them) after HCG has cleared, while using just Nolva + Clomid. Maybe I'll get a blood test after my PCT this time around. I won't go past 50mg/day each for both S-4 + Proviron.

very interesting........ i am truly intrigued by the possibilities of using S4 for PCT purposes....

C what are your thoughts bro?

I saw that bloodwork on olm, and free test was a little low, but total test was ok. I have used in pct after ph mild cycle, which may be different setting than a true gear cycle, but felt it did help in maintaining, and did not feel any crash when came off of if after pct. That was my fear that while on it everything would be nice, but that it may have just delayed the crash effect, but for me it did not. No bloods to prove anything, just going by feel, look and weights in gym. I would think anything 100 mgs and under seems to be mildly suppressive at most, I do beleive the higher in dose, though the more suppressive.

JA over at OL used s4 during a pct and said he was still gaining strength in pct

I know for me....at this time I have a very heavy PCt comming up in the near future been on over a year now....so I am very interested in all avenues of PCT....S4 sounds truly promising at a lower possibly non-suppressive hpta dosage...


Any more opinions or experiences with S4 and PCT?

i just started PCT 8 days ago, was on 100/mg Prop and 100/mg Mast ED and have been on AAS/GH for the past couple years so it was time to come off! Although i am still running the GH @ 4iu/ed and plan on staying on it for a while longer, I started S-4 @75/mg ed and at day 4 the visual sides started to kick in.. now it's day 8 into PCT and still same weight but dont feel as full as i did when taking the prop/mast but i still feel a good pump in the gym.. I am also taking 90/mg Tormifene, Hcg 250iu, Clomid 50mg ED.. so far so good, i will keep you updated.